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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://www.mhalwae.com/2009/01/06/igrayne-gets-some-advice/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Penelope *waves* , this is your first comment right? Nice to see you here :)

It is one of those &quot;it was the times&quot; moments. I think in Illewen&#039;s case there wouldn&#039;t have been much of a grieving phase (maybe if she had been a noble woman). Particularly since bachelors are such a rarity on Mhalwae. She would be encouraged to find a husband ASAP to take care of her and the baby. She is in a better situation actually on Mhalwae than she would be otherwise. There are so few people on Mhalwae that the nobility is much closer to the peasant class and there is a general feeling of everyone working together to survive.

I really do think that Polina is trying to do the best thing for Illewen here even though it might seem callous. Polina definitely has a higher opinion of Illewen than Igrayne. They all worked in the kitchen together, and before Igrayne&#039;s ordeal you can imagine what a pair she and Maire must have been. But poor Igrayne... seriously, the girl risked her life for Mhalwae. She deserves a bit more respect.

And thanks for the nice welcome! Happy new year to all of you too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penelope *waves* , this is your first comment right? Nice to see you here <img src='http://www.mhalwae.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is one of those &#8220;it was the times&#8221; moments. I think in Illewen&#8217;s case there wouldn&#8217;t have been much of a grieving phase (maybe if she had been a noble woman). Particularly since bachelors are such a rarity on Mhalwae. She would be encouraged to find a husband ASAP to take care of her and the baby. She is in a better situation actually on Mhalwae than she would be otherwise. There are so few people on Mhalwae that the nobility is much closer to the peasant class and there is a general feeling of everyone working together to survive.</p>
<p>I really do think that Polina is trying to do the best thing for Illewen here even though it might seem callous. Polina definitely has a higher opinion of Illewen than Igrayne. They all worked in the kitchen together, and before Igrayne&#8217;s ordeal you can imagine what a pair she and Maire must have been. But poor Igrayne&#8230; seriously, the girl risked her life for Mhalwae. She deserves a bit more respect.</p>
<p>And thanks for the nice welcome! Happy new year to all of you too <img src='http://www.mhalwae.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mao</title>
		<link>http://www.mhalwae.com/2009/01/06/igrayne-gets-some-advice/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In thinking of the time period, Polina has a point, but still.  It just seems... wrong to be forcing someone who is still so wounded into a relationship.  I don&#039;t see that going very well, for any of them--Illwen, Arran, and Igrayne.  What a messy situation.  There&#039;s just so many angles to look at it and well, Verity, you&#039;re the only one who knows how it will go down!

I don&#039;t see it going well, though.  Igrayne has suffered so much already, in her own way.  Polina&#039;s pushy nature may have just pushed Igrayne even further back into the shell of her mind, closing her off for good.  I mean, Illwen has suffered, but a death, not... well, I mean, their tragedies are different.  We&#039;ll see how it goes.

I don&#039;t envy either of them, that&#039;s for sure.  Welcome back, Verity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In thinking of the time period, Polina has a point, but still.  It just seems&#8230; wrong to be forcing someone who is still so wounded into a relationship.  I don&#8217;t see that going very well, for any of them&#8211;Illwen, Arran, and Igrayne.  What a messy situation.  There&#8217;s just so many angles to look at it and well, Verity, you&#8217;re the only one who knows how it will go down!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it going well, though.  Igrayne has suffered so much already, in her own way.  Polina&#8217;s pushy nature may have just pushed Igrayne even further back into the shell of her mind, closing her off for good.  I mean, Illwen has suffered, but a death, not&#8230; well, I mean, their tragedies are different.  We&#8217;ll see how it goes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t envy either of them, that&#8217;s for sure.  Welcome back, Verity!</p>
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		<title>By: Lothere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lothere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was fixing to be mad at Polina the second she took Igrayne aside but now... I see her point.  Especially in this time period, marriage wasn&#039;t just about love, and a woman&#039;s only chance at a comfortable life was usually by getting a husband.  Otherwise she was necessarily someone&#039;s dependent, with all the self-effacement and humility that comes along with that, or else barely scrimping by in her widowhood by darning people&#039;s socks or something.

Of course Igrayne is someone&#039;s dependent herself now, but perhaps to Polina it seems a cozier life than what a widow and orphan baby would live.  Perhaps people really would think that the &quot;right&quot; thing to do would be for Igrayne to step aside.  I read recently something about a guy who lost his job during the Great Depression to make way for a man whose only special qualification over the first guy was that he was married and had a family to provide for.

And in this case -- in this &quot;colonial&quot; society where there simply aren&#039;t enough eligibles to go around -- there is surely an extra pressure to make decisions that would seem rather cold-hearted to us.  They need more citizens, and the only way they are going to get them is to make more.  (And take good care of the babies they already have.)

ON THE OTHER HAND!  It must be obvious even to blind Gena that Illewen is NOT interested in looking for a man right now, and that Arran and Igrayne have a little thing for each other.  And Igrayne would surely have beautiful babies.  (Assuming Arran isn&#039;t sterile of course.)  So what&#039;s to think?

The only thing I am sure about is that Igrayne is going to totally give up now unless Arran absolutely throws himself at her.  (Even if someone else throws him at her, he is still going to have to do some convincing himself.)  She already thinks she is SO not worthy of love -- now Polina has added an extra scoop of guilt on top of that, if she goes ahead and tries for (or even accepts) Arran&#039;s affection anyway.

Oh dear oh dear.  I guess the only good thing is that Illewen is SO not ready -- Igrayne and Arran will probably have at least a little time window in which to find each other.

Oooh or maybe Illewen can be the one to push Igrayne and Arran together!  Igrayne might accept that.  But even as gentle as Illewen seemed to be earlier, she just seems to be so far away... she might not even notice all this going on around her.

Anyway, welcome back, Verity!  Bonne année!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was fixing to be mad at Polina the second she took Igrayne aside but now&#8230; I see her point.  Especially in this time period, marriage wasn&#8217;t just about love, and a woman&#8217;s only chance at a comfortable life was usually by getting a husband.  Otherwise she was necessarily someone&#8217;s dependent, with all the self-effacement and humility that comes along with that, or else barely scrimping by in her widowhood by darning people&#8217;s socks or something.</p>
<p>Of course Igrayne is someone&#8217;s dependent herself now, but perhaps to Polina it seems a cozier life than what a widow and orphan baby would live.  Perhaps people really would think that the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do would be for Igrayne to step aside.  I read recently something about a guy who lost his job during the Great Depression to make way for a man whose only special qualification over the first guy was that he was married and had a family to provide for.</p>
<p>And in this case &#8212; in this &#8220;colonial&#8221; society where there simply aren&#8217;t enough eligibles to go around &#8212; there is surely an extra pressure to make decisions that would seem rather cold-hearted to us.  They need more citizens, and the only way they are going to get them is to make more.  (And take good care of the babies they already have.)</p>
<p>ON THE OTHER HAND!  It must be obvious even to blind Gena that Illewen is NOT interested in looking for a man right now, and that Arran and Igrayne have a little thing for each other.  And Igrayne would surely have beautiful babies.  (Assuming Arran isn&#8217;t sterile of course.)  So what&#8217;s to think?</p>
<p>The only thing I am sure about is that Igrayne is going to totally give up now unless Arran absolutely throws himself at her.  (Even if someone else throws him at her, he is still going to have to do some convincing himself.)  She already thinks she is SO not worthy of love &#8212; now Polina has added an extra scoop of guilt on top of that, if she goes ahead and tries for (or even accepts) Arran&#8217;s affection anyway.</p>
<p>Oh dear oh dear.  I guess the only good thing is that Illewen is SO not ready &#8212; Igrayne and Arran will probably have at least a little time window in which to find each other.</p>
<p>Oooh or maybe Illewen can be the one to push Igrayne and Arran together!  Igrayne might accept that.  But even as gentle as Illewen seemed to be earlier, she just seems to be so far away&#8230; she might not even notice all this going on around her.</p>
<p>Anyway, welcome back, Verity!  Bonne année!</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
		<link>http://www.mhalwae.com/2009/01/06/igrayne-gets-some-advice/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I can understand how Polina thinks she&#039;s doing the right thing, but it&#039;s really too soon for Ilewen to be thinking about getting a new man, and I still think Ilewen really wouldn&#039;t care if Arran and Igrayne got together anyway. Ilewen will find someone when the time is right, but I just can&#039;t see her ever being really interested in Arran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I can understand how Polina thinks she&#8217;s doing the right thing, but it&#8217;s really too soon for Ilewen to be thinking about getting a new man, and I still think Ilewen really wouldn&#8217;t care if Arran and Igrayne got together anyway. Ilewen will find someone when the time is right, but I just can&#8217;t see her ever being really interested in Arran.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s to soon for Illewen to be  paired up anyway. Sometimes you just have to put your own happiness before others, Igrayne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s to soon for Illewen to be  paired up anyway. Sometimes you just have to put your own happiness before others, Igrayne.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But- But Igrayne needs love&#039;n too! She may be provided for now but after all the crap that she&#039;s been through, she needs a little happiness. And she&#039;s so good-natured that she probably will back down.

Yeesch, this birthday party was teeth gnashingly awkward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But- But Igrayne needs love&#8217;n too! She may be provided for now but after all the crap that she&#8217;s been through, she needs a little happiness. And she&#8217;s so good-natured that she probably will back down.</p>
<p>Yeesch, this birthday party was teeth gnashingly awkward.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short post guys so sorry about that. I couldn&#039;t think of a way to merge it with the next since I need to change perspectives and it seemed like a good place to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short post guys so sorry about that. I couldn&#8217;t think of a way to merge it with the next since I need to change perspectives and it seemed like a good place to end.</p>
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